Advertisement
Radio

Robin Ince: Only Artists, BBC Radio 4 – review

Radio 4’s Only Artists pits two cultural heavyweights – such as Grayson Perry and Naomi Alderman – in a candid discussion of creative questions. Robin Ince is impressed…

Radio 4’s new commissioning editor of arts, James Runcie, stated that he wanted to do for the arts what Radio 4 has done to science. This was clumsily reported in The Observer, which wrote, “with mathematicians, physicists and doctors dominating much of the airtime on BBC Radio 4, science coverage has never had it so good. But is it time to restore some balance?”

I should declare my interest, I work for the Radio 4 Science Unit. For this reason, I thought I better use evidence before becoming tetchy. Looking at the Radio 4 listings for that week, arts-based shows outnumbered science-based programmes by at least three to one, even if I didn’t include adaptations of books or afternoon plays. The continuing desire by some to draw a line between “the two cultures” of art and science is not helpful to anyone. Those who are curious about Tolstoy and Thomas Hardy are often intrigued by Beryllium and Bohr, too. Runcie’s point was not that science dominated the airwaves, merely that the way arts was discussed needed to be reinvigorated.

The continuing desire by some to draw a line between “the two cultures” of art and science is not helpful to anyone

The first creation from this new manifesto is Only Artists, a remake of Chain Reaction, which was a tag match interview series where each week’s interviewee would become the following week’s interviewer. Johnny Vegas would interview Stewart Lee who would interview Alan Moore who inter-viewed Brian Eno. It is a producer’s nightmare. In later series, it became dominated by comedians as there are always some of them available when you are finding it tricky to link a chain.

The first interviewer of the artist- based version was Grayson Perry, who is the dominant public face of contemporary British art, and with good reason. He is passionate and engaging. He has the rare quality of creating multiple public conversations without artifice. His TV series on class showed what can be revealed if you approach people without condescension.

He wheeled his bicycle into Naomi Alderman’s cluttered flat for this first episode. Alderman is a novelist and writer of computer games. Perry is not a computer game aficionado, he was suspicious of the world he was being introduced to. To him, these games were populated by “clichés of the idea of imagination… it’s like other people’s dreams, it doesn’t really gel with me”; though this didn’t mean he would immediately discount it as art.

Both artists were keen to reject boundaries. Alderman grew up in an Orthodox-Jewish environment, and once she left that she was keen to avoid all societal and culture restrictions.

Advertisement
Advertisement

Like Perry, she was keen to avoid high culture and low culture divides, seeing them as arbitrary and inhibitory. By the end of the show, Perry experienced “a soupçon of revelation” and hoped the listener had, too. Last week, Naomi Alderman interviewed double bassist Chi-chi Nwanoku. Hopefully, this new agenda will introduce artistic ideas to a larger audience as Jim Al-Khalili introduces quantum theory to those still digesting their breakfast and wondering if their cat came home last night. I hope this may also lead to more mashing-up of science and art in programming, you’d be surprised at how well biomolecular chemists get on with haiku composers.

Only Artists, Wednesdays, 9am, Radio 4

Advertisement

Change a vendor's life this Christmas

This Christmas, 3.8 million people across the UK will be facing extreme poverty. Thousands of those struggling will turn to selling the Big Issue as a vital source of income - they need your support to earn and lift themselves out of poverty.

Recommended for you

Read All
Uncanny USA podcast host Danny Robins on Bigfoot, UFOs and why Americans scare differently to Brits
Danny Robins on set for Uncanny USA sitting on a rusty car
Podcasts

Uncanny USA podcast host Danny Robins on Bigfoot, UFOs and why Americans scare differently to Brits

Rick Edwards: 'I assumed I'd embrace being famous. I quickly realised that wasn't the case'
Rick Edwards
Letter To My Younger Self

Rick Edwards: 'I assumed I'd embrace being famous. I quickly realised that wasn't the case'

BBC cuts to local radio are a cost we cannot afford: 'Vulnerable people rely on radio'
A 1970s radio
Radio

BBC cuts to local radio are a cost we cannot afford: 'Vulnerable people rely on radio'

Shaun Keaveny: 'I was burnt out by the callousness and cruelty of this government'
Shaun Keaveny in a white t-shirt, smiling
Interview

Shaun Keaveny: 'I was burnt out by the callousness and cruelty of this government'

Most Popular

Read All
Renters pay their landlords' buy-to-let mortgages, so they should get a share of the profits
Renters: A mortgage lender's window advertising buy-to-let products
1.

Renters pay their landlords' buy-to-let mortgages, so they should get a share of the profits

Exclusive: Disabled people are 'set up to fail' by the DWP in target-driven disability benefits system, whistleblowers reveal
Pound coins on a piece of paper with disability living allowancve
2.

Exclusive: Disabled people are 'set up to fail' by the DWP in target-driven disability benefits system, whistleblowers reveal

Cost of living payment 2024: Where to get help now the scheme is over
next dwp cost of living payment 2023
3.

Cost of living payment 2024: Where to get help now the scheme is over

Citroën Ami: the tiny electric vehicle driving change with The Big Issue
4.

Citroën Ami: the tiny electric vehicle driving change with The Big Issue